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Buy-in for Joint Goals

We’ve recently had several posts on how we deal with divvying up our finances. One thing that we didn’t cover is the importance of jointly contributing to household goals and expenses. We know that most couples experience shifts now and then on who has more money and who has less. At the same time, we believe that couples who jointly contribute to household goals and expenses will feel more mutual ownership. This leads to a greater likelihood of both partners feeling more satisfied and engaged in household financial decisions.

If possible, have both partners contribute to big ticket items. For instance, if one person contributes their money to supporting regular household expenditures and the other person contributes to a larger savings goal such as a house or a car, the first person’s contribution can feel more like a sunk cost and they will likely feel like they have less of a stake in the larger purchase. Clearly both people are contributing, but in the end the second may complain that they were the ones who made all the contributions towards the larger item.

For instance friends of our have a situation where the wife went back to work after having a child, and paid for 100% of child care expenses (an ongoing household fee), and the husband pays for the mortgage. Due in part to the way they have their finances set up, at the end of the day the husband feels like he has more ownership of the house and the wife is left feeling like she is throwing the majority of her paycheck down the drain. If however, they shared the cost of both items, the ownership and responsibility would be more joint.

We’ve also seen this to be the case in our own lives. If all of James’ extra money goes to buying stocks and all of my money goes to supporting our household, it doesn’t feel as equal. While I’m indeed contributing more to our household while James is in school, we still find ways to make sure that we are both contributing to the financial goals that we set. In terms of household expenses, James pays for the utilities and I pay for the internet expenses. This makes it easier to manage, but also makes it so we both have buy-in to our joint goals and expenses.

Miel&James

Ideas for Making Money

One great thing about blogging is that a lot of smart entrepreneurial types are attracted to personal finance blogging. I’ve been emailing with a couple of fellow personal finance bloggers. As a result of this, I wanted to highlight a few money making ideas that have come up:

1) Prosper.com: So far, my wife and I have about $3,300 loaned on prosper.com. Our average interest rate is 21% , but this reflects the fact that our loans are heavily skewed towards borrowers who have less than perfect credit. Getting set up on prosper is super easy and you can do it with only $50, so why not live a little? Many prosper borrowers are entrepreneurs or are stuck in a payday loan borrowing cycle, so even if you’re lending at a high rate you’re still doing some good.

2) Investing In SubPrime Lenders: Everyone knows what subprime lenders are. These guys are loan companies that give mortgages to people who have bad credit. Because the real estate boom is over, the subprime lenders have taken a beating in the stock market. For example, share values in companies like Novastar Financial (NFI) have collapsed. NFI’s share prices declined from over $30.0 to $3.40 today. Other troubled outfits like Freemont General (FMT) have seen their shares drop by 66% from $22 to $6.30.

In short, there is a fire sale on for subprime lenders. Also, I believe the market has overreacted to the troubled faced by this sector. So it might make sense to think about taking a position in a subprime lender whose stock has the potential to rebound in the near future.

Just to end this posting, I wanted to give some thanks to Lazy Man and Money and Adventures in Money Making for their creative thinking! Thanks guys!

Good luck making money!

Best,

James

Dividing Up Our Household Costs

Today’s posting is a follow up to a reader’s comment regarding dividing finances in our relationship.

Generally, we maintain a lot of autonomy in our relationship. So usually we each cover our own daily expenses (i.e. lunches, entertainment, etc.). Other times, one of us will take on more of the household costs to achieve an important goal.

For example, when my wife first moved to Washington, she had some credit card debt she wanted to pay off. To help her with this, I paid for a greater share of the rent. Our rent was $1,200 monthly, I covered $800 and forked over the cash for our going out costs and internet expense. My wife paid $400 in rent, plus groceries and personal expenses. The rest of her income went towards her cards.

We also modified our household expenses when we started saving for our condo. My wife was was just finishing up paying off her cards. Thus, I started contributing to our condo savings before she did, but after the cards were paid off, she started contributing, resulting in an overall higher savings rate. We followed this same pattern when paying for our wedding.

Following this theme, right now my wife is helping me get through grad school. This means she is paying for more of our entertainment expenses, is covering our subway fare, our health insurance, groceries, and the internet bill. This is basically all of our incidentals, except our mortgage.

Again, we’re flexible about about the household finances. Often we tailor our household expenses towards achieving important goals, like dumping credit card debt or getting through grad school. However, we’ve also managed to balance achieving these goals with individual personal autonomy.

Autonomy matters because it reduces friction in our marriage. Let’s put it this way, my wife sees my eating out and movie expenses to be sometimes excessive and I see her travel and household expenses as occasionally unnecessary. In the end, rather than harangue each other constantly, paying for our own personal expenses ensures that we give each other space. We harangue each other a bit, but it usually doesn’t get out of hand.

Best,

James

How We Co-manage our Finances

A couple of our readers have been asked how we co-manage our financial lives as DINKs.

Well, the answer is that it’s relatively straight forward. We follow a couple of principles which have sort of evolved over the course of our relationship.

Separate Accounts: Since we are DINKs, and have busy separate lives, we both maintain separate accounts to keep track of our own individual finances. For example, Miel has two ING accounts to handle her work and travel expenses. James has two accounts with PNC bank to fund his wasting money, eating out, and movies, university studies.

Joint Accounts: We have joint accounts for our mortgage and investment property. Usually Miel handles our personal mortgage and James deals with the investment property, but we both have each others names on these accounts just in case.

Money Meetings: When our schedule isn’t too crazy, we usually talk on Saturday mornings to define what our joint goals should be. These conversations aren’t always easy, but we are both reasonable people who love each other very much, so most of the time we come up with a joint goal we can both buy into.

Finally, sometimes our accounts get out of hand, so we periodically try to close accounts we aren’t using to keep things under control. ING has recently made our lives easier so we can simplify our accounts with the new electric orange checking and we’ve stopped using our Wamu accounts.

How the accounts are structured is just part of how couples handle finances. The more tricky part is who pays for what and why. We’ll cover this in a post soon to come. In the mean time you can check out what the stats are for the rest of the country. According to a recent study by SmartMoney magazine and Redbook:

  • Nearly 65% of couples put all their money in joint accounts
  • 14% keep their money in separate accounts
  • And 18% use both types of accounts.

Best,

James & Miel

Fighting Extra Fees

This posting falls along the lines of dealing with unreasonable consumer charges. So, to make the story short, last weekend I ordered new checks for my personal account at PNC. Much to my dismay, I noted a $24.99 printing fee on my account. This was somewhat shocking as I have a free account at PNC, and was assuming free checks were part of that. Evidently, PNC was not in agreement with this, and charged me the $24.99.

I wasn’t having it, and immediately sprang into action! I got on the phone and got through to PNCs customer service. At first the customer service guy didn’t budge. I tried everything. First, I asked nicely to have the charge removed. Then I invoked the “good customer” routine, and said they should waive the fee because I was a good customer of PNC. That didn’t work either. Finally, I determined that the rep could not help me, and asked to speak to his supervisor. That did the trick.

This morning the charge got removed.

Final Score: James: 1, PNC 0.

-James

Credit Card Debt Caused By Choice, Not Evil Companies

I’ve been hearing a lot about congressional oversight of credit card lenders in the news. Much of the media coverage seems highly negative and appears directed at credit card companies for their abusive lending practices. A lot of these negative stories argue that these companies are abusive to the extent that they are like drug dealers.

The Drug Dealer Theory: An idea that’s not being well expressed in the notion that credit card companies CAUSE credit card debt. This idea says that credit card companies are like drug dealers, they get kids “hooked” young and keep them dependent by charging high rates of interest and fees. The major problem with this whole metaphor is that it totally ignores the fact that individuals own choices have caused their debt.

Free Will. The average American household has a median credit card debt of $2,000 (here). In order to attain this level of debt, individuals usually repeatedly decide to borrow from their credit cards. For example, one might paid their rent with their card one day, the next week, they might buy a pair of shoes, and the following month go to a nightclub or spend money at 7-11, all on their card. The main point here is that the amount of credit card debt carried by families is usually racked up within the context of a repeated set of choices.

The flip side to this that persons who have gotten out of debt such as my wife and Trisha over at blogging away debt, have both exercised their own initiative and reduced their debt levels. So, acquiring debt, or getting rid of it, are both expressions of free will, not the actions of some evil company.

Focusing on Companies is Dumb: The key point here is that credit card debt is caused by CHOICE, NOT credit card companies. While some practices such as universal default are problematic, as long as people continue to choose to use credit cards, the problem of debt will remain.

The proper policy response should be educate consumers. This means congress should think about funding effective personal finance education in high schools and colleges. Focusing on the companies themselves is misguided and fails to address the roots of the real problem.

Best,

James

Real Estate Iconoclast’s Webpage Has Solid Investing Info.

As part of the DINKS mission to bring you good information on investing and wealth building, today’s posting is on John T. Reed. Reed is an independent real estate investor and author who has written prolifically on topics like managing and acquiring multifamily rental properties.

Reed is famous for his debunking of real estate “gurus” like Rus Whitney and Bob Kiyosaki. In fact, this is what he is mostly famous for, but it’s not the focus of this post.

For people interested in good info on real estate investing, Reed is someone you might want to consider. I initially heard of Reed when I found a copy of one of his books How to Manage Residential Property for Maximum Cash Flow and Resale Value at the DC public library. Later, I found Reed’s website and have since visited it periodically.

For what it’s worth, I would pop over to Reed’s page and check out his free content. There are several good discussions of various real estate investment methods. I would also check out his guru ratings page, just because Reed’s iconoclastic style makes for a fun read.

Best,

James

Just Say No to Advertising

Blogging can have lots of upsides. For my wife and I it’s a way to stay connected when our lives get busy. Another big upside to having a blog is that it’s like running a business. And part of this means getting sponsorship for the site.

Sometimes, though it’s about getting the right kind of sponsorship. For example, we recently turned down a inquiry from two payday loan lenders, one in the UK and one here in the States. We’ve also turned down two requests from advertising services similar to adbrite. Both wanted us to host video ads on a pay-per-click basis.

While there is a healthy place for advertising on this blog, both Miel and I are dead set against selling space to payday loan lenders. We won’t be associated with rip off artists. Regarding the two advertising services, there are already quite enough ads on the internet without your being exposed to them here.

Hope you enjoy your stay with the DINKS.

Best,

James

Taking Care of Business

While most of are posts are a bit less utilitarian, my theme for the night is taking care of business.

I just sorted out some of my banking details, including:

  • Entering my receipts into my finance tracker
  • Paying James for half of our property tax bill
  • Paying my sister for our joint cell phone bill
  • $800 on my student loans (from my educational benefits offered by work)
  • Put another $1,650 in my 2006 ROTH IRA ($1,000 from ed benefits, $250 from James, & $350 from myself)
  • All that and I’ve still got a couple of to dos related to finances that I have to do during business hours.

Finances aren’t always sexy, but every little move helps!

Good night!

Miel

Penny Calculator


We DINKs love calculators! This means that we can sit here and dream up financial scenarios and have someone else do the math.

Tonight we got a request to swap sites with a fellow blogger, themoneyalert, and found this kickin calculator, among others. The basic jest is that you can enter the price of an item that you normally buy and then see how much a difference it would make if you switched to a cheaper brand, or small size.

It was pretty cool to see how a penny really does add up. Here are the three scenarios that we did, which any of you could easily apply in your lives. All scenarios presume starting at age 30 and living to 95, James’ grandmother recently died at 97 and my grandmother is still kickin it at 91. It also presumes that we would invest the savings at 7% interest, but the calculator also tells you how much it would be without investing.

1) Large versus small cup of coffee
If you were to permanently switch from the $1.59 product to the $1.39 product, and then invested the resulting monthly savings in an investment that earned .07% per year, between now (age 30) and age 65, you would then be able to withdraw $26 from your investment each month…for the rest of your life! That’s $9,370 over the course of your life time!

2) Spending a $1 less at lunch ten times a month
Summary: If you were to permanently switch from the $6 product to the $5 product…you would then be able to withdraw $130 from your investment each month…for the rest of your life! That’s $46,853 over the course of your life time!

3) Not going out to dinner and a movie once a month
Summary: If you were to permanently switch from the $60 product to the $0 product …you would then be able to withdraw $785 from your investment each month…for the rest of your life! That’s $282,714 over the course of your life time!

Thus, if we choose to get a small cup of coffee, spend a dollar less at lunch, and forewent going out once a month, this would amount to $66,528 in cold hard cash, or $395,800 if invested at 7%

Now that’s some pennies!

Miel

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