Sovereign Citizens Don’t Pay Taxes or Parking Tickets

by Kristina on July 28, 2011 · 37 comments

American FlagI recently learned about an extreme movement in the United States and I really felt the need to share.

Sovereign Citizens are US citizens who wish to become independent from the state.  The Sovereign Citizen Movement is complete government anarchy, they do not want to answer to any form of US Government and they fell the Government influence in the US should be minimal.

The status of being a Sovereign Citizen is not legally recognized by the United States Government and has previously been rejected in several court cases.  The request for citizens to become sovereign was also declined by the Internal Revenue Agency.

What is a Sovereign Citizen?

Sovereign Citizens are opposed to anything related to the US Government. They consider themselves independent from the state; therefore, they feel the need to answer only to and only obey English common law.

Sovereign Citizens are the exact opposite of (normal) Federal Citizens. They do not conform to anything government induced including federal laws and federal taxes.  Sovereign Citizens want to be completely self regulated with no control or outside influence by the US federal government.

What is the Sovereign Citizen Movement?

The Sovereign Citizen Movement started in the 1970’s as an anti US Government movement; Sovereign Citizens feel that the ideal Government presence is a minimalist one. Sovereign Citizens are Financial Scheme Promoters and Commentators; they are fighting to become independent from the state because they feel the Federal Government abuses their power.

Sovereign Citizens do not feel the need to answer to US Federal Government and therefore they are fighting to become free of any legal constraints. Sovereign Citizens want to have no ties to the Federal Government whatsoever, including accepting US Currency.  That’s right! Sovereign Citizens do not recognize US Currency.

Since Sovereign Citizens do not recognize the law they also don’t hold themselves accountable for breaking any laws.  People have declared Sovereign Citizenship to evade all types of criminal charges from parking tickets to drug allegations.

Sovereign Citizens do not want to pay taxes and feel that the entire US tax system is actually forced slavery by the US Federal Government.  They feel the Federal Government is using tax paying federal citizens to repay the US Governments international debt.

Taxes are a very controversial topic among the Sovereign Citizen Movement; however the Internal Revenue Agency disagrees.  Citizens can be fined up to $5000 if they try to falsely file a tax return as a Sovereign Citizen. The Sovereign Citizen movement has also influenced other extreme movements such as the Tax Protestor movement and the Christian Patriot movement.

What are Your Thoughts on Sovereign Citizens?

I couldn’t even imagine a world where I was not accountable for my actions and I didn’t have to pay taxes.  No one likes to pay taxes, but we all have to do it to keep our roads paved and our children educated. The more I read about Sovereign Citizens the more outraged I become.  Why the hell would anyone not want to be a federal citizen of the United States of America?

If we don’t accept the Federal Government as our governing body and if we don’t pay our taxes, we cannot benefit from municipal, state, and federal services.  I am the first to admit that I hate paying taxes, but I love receiving a tax refund.  Honestly, does rejecting the US Currency seem a little bit extreme to anyone else?

If US citizens do not answer to the federal government and if we aren’t held accountable for our actions, we would be living in complete chaos.  People may not agree that the US Federal Government is managing our international debt very well, but they are managing it a lot better than if no one was managing it at all.

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1 bloviator July 28, 2011 at 9:20 am

“If US citizens do not answer to the federal government and if we aren’t held accountable for our actions, we would be living in complete chaos.” – I disagree, prior to the US government being formed, (i.e. colonies and natives), there was not “compete chaos” and I don’t think it would become as such. Throwing out general statements without logical evidence that such an environment would devolve releases your argument of merit in similar fashion as those who may argue for becoming a “Sovereign Citizen”.

2 Kristina July 28, 2011 at 6:36 pm

In the days of colonies and natives I can almost guarantee that there were a lot less people in the United States than there are today. It is only my opinion that the current millions of US residents would be living in complete chaos if there was no central government “watching over” everything. Everyone doing what they want when they want with no recourse for their actions is the definittion of chaos for me. Not to mention the possibility of invasion.

3 butch July 28, 2011 at 9:18 pm

wtf do you think the tax “refund” is… its YOUR money taken interest free by the government for the year (minus what the government decides is theirs) and then what little is left is sent back to you. for someone who’s been in the financial services industry for over 10 yrs, you don’t understand much about money

4 flabbergasted July 29, 2011 at 1:02 am

Your from Canada, that explains your “mindset”. What would we do without the government ” watching over ” us ???
1) your definition of “chaos” is my definition of freedom.
2) 14, 000, 000 illegal immigrants sounds like an invasion to me .

My tax dollars at work: free / subsidized housing , healthcare , education , food for illegals .
3) approx 10% unemployment.
4) seniors and vets afraid they may lose their benefits if gov’t doesn’t raise debt ceiling.
your entitled to your ” spin ” on U.S. social / economic views , I don’t agree with them.

5 Bret @ Hope to Prosper July 31, 2011 at 6:41 pm

Kristina,

Here is a little U.S. history lesson for the entertainment of our northern neighbors.

Federal income taxes aren’t specifically authorized in the U.S. Constitution, so the U.S. government has no direct authority to tax it’s citizens income. In fact, the only taxes the Federal government is constitutionally authorized to collect are taxes on imports. Some people believe the government could lose in the Supreme Court if they forced the issue of income tax, which is why these groups have existed for so long. The IRS usually resorts to intimidation and bully tactics and nobody (except Wesley Snipes) wants to mess with them.

I had a friend in the ’80s who joined one of these groups and he sent in all of the proper paperwork claiming exempt on his income taxes. The IRS went to his employer and told them, “if this guy doesn’t pay his taxes, we are going to audit your books for the last five years.” So, he didn’t work there for long or try to claim exempt ever again.

Bret

Disclosure: I am proud to pay all of my taxes, but I wish they were levied equally. Our tax code is probably one of the most convoluted and unfair systems of laws sine the Roman Empire. If the IRS could get away with feeding people to the lions, they probably would.

6 Amanda L Grossman August 2, 2011 at 6:00 pm

Hmmm…I am thinking if you don’t wish to pay taxes or to be governed by the US government, then perhaps you should move to another country.

Not a hater, but every country has a set of rules that you must abide by if you want to live there. If you don’t want to abide by the rules, then you can live somewhere else. Perhaps you don’t agree with the rules, and that is an entirely different topic all together; but there are rules that everyone must follow no matter where they live.

7 Do Yourself A Favor August 2, 2011 at 7:03 pm

and find the laws that compel you to pay tax on your income. There are none if you look at the law and the legal definitions. Compliance is voluntary. However, you are tricked into contractual obligations which then make it a matter of contract law if you do not pay. Biggest Ponzi scheme the world has ever seen

8 Kristina August 2, 2011 at 9:39 pm

Thank You Amanda. I am glad that at least one person understands my point of view.

9 david August 3, 2011 at 9:23 pm

as a vet of the AMERICAN army i am ashamed at the lengths some people in ths country will go to just so they can justify taking a free REPUBLIC and turn into a SOCIALIST disaster. you talk about leave if you dont like it. where could we go that some form or other of social justice is not ruining the country? greece, ireland, italy and over half of europe is going or gone broke because people get into power and wont give it up so they turn the weak minded and uneducated into a mob and say without a massive federal government to feed and clothe you, you would starve, well for those of us that can read and think no thanks let me run or ruin my life as i see fit. let me defend me and mine without worrying if will be sued by the crimanls or thier family. i wish i could be a sovereign citizen for those reasons alone.

10 csdx August 4, 2011 at 10:53 pm

Look if you want to be a sovereign citizen, the sure fine. But then you shouldn’t be able to take any benefits from the system either. No use of public highways, no police if someone wrongs you, no fire department if your house burns down, no courts to enforce any business contracts with anyone else you do business with. Hell, no internet for you as this was initially a government DoD funded initiative, then moved to the government subsidized university system. In short, if you really don’t want to do anything for society, then don’t come expecting it’s benefits either.

11 clarity August 6, 2011 at 9:19 am

The awareness hit me like a brick upside my head. We have no government here in America, only CORPORATIONS running the lives of the people making them think they are government. Every FEDERAL, STATE, CITY, MUNICIPILITY, COUNTY, IRS, FEDERAL RESERVE BANK, THE MILITARY has been INCORPORATED since whatever year. THEY are all PRIVATE businesses running(ruining) the lives of the American people, with their ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES at your expense and lack of knowledge.

12 enlightenment August 6, 2011 at 1:42 pm

clarity is 100% right… and we as human beings have the right to contract (or NOT contract) with them at our discretion. there are only two types of law: that where one party is injured in some way by another, and then contract violations. the courts have proven that we have a right to travel on public roads (paid for by the tax assessed on every single gallon of gas you buy) — no need for a ‘drivers license’ unless you are commuting for commerce (think commercial truck drivers/taxis/etc).when you go to court for a seatbelt ticket, its not because you injured another party. its because you broke the terms of your contract (ie driver’s license) which you don’t NEED if you aren’t making money by driving someone/something from point A to point B. EX: right now you freely breathe air from the atmosphere, but if you voluntarily contract with someone that you are going to pay them for every breath you take you are violating the terms of the contract if you do not pay. do you HAVE to contract with them? No, but if you do it voluntarily the contract can be enforced. same thing with Social Security, Drivers License, Voter Reg, Selective Serivce, Birth Certs, W-4s, etc… ALL CONTRACTS with these ‘governmental’ Corporations.

13 A proud US citizen August 7, 2011 at 11:14 pm

First off, Kristina great article because you brought to light a dark group of individuals that are completely lost. The fact is this country’s founding fathers could not possibly come up with every type of tax that we have today. So using the constitution as a example is ludicrous. Secondly, we need a government to keep simple minded individuals such as sovereign citizens in check to keep complete anarchy from breaking out. How can there not be chaos without a centralized system? I know things are bad with the economy however taking business into your own hands is absurb.

14 A proud US citizen August 7, 2011 at 11:21 pm

Another thing, what makes you think that your way is better sovereign citizens? All I see are a bunch of far right wing prissies that can’t afford anything because they sucked at getting an education and bettering themselves. You guys make up your own facts to validate your twisted reasoning. The government is far from perfect but the last thing we need is a revolution of law breakers. I would also venture to guess that most of these loonatics are middle aged Caucasians that see this country being run over by minorities, god knows the founding fathers didn’t want that. Lets face it you guys are probably bigots

15 A proud US citizen August 7, 2011 at 11:30 pm

I want one of you guys to lay out how you sovereign citizens would orchestrate your ideal nation. You guys just want to blame the government for your ouw demise when you have yourself to blame. You slacked in school therefore you couldn’t get that scholarship to attend college. I admit that the government needs major changes but you punks need to spend more time on figuring how to get the governments attention in a legal and civil way.

16 A proud US citizen August 7, 2011 at 11:30 pm

Great article kristina

17 Kristina August 8, 2011 at 9:50 am

@ A proud US citizen I couldn’t have said it better myself!!!

18 ramicio September 5, 2011 at 11:34 pm

Our founding fathers didn’t imagine the taxes we have now because they are morally wrong. We give up almost all of our pay to taxes, somehow. It would not be a lawless nation if the federal government was small and constitutional. It was set up so states were the governments. The federal government was made to protect our rights in case a state started to get legally out of control. Roads are paid for by gas. If you don’t drive, you aren’t paying for the roads. No roads are federal property, anyway. Schools are paid for by property tax. Public schools are failing, anyway, because it’s a flawed system. Property tax is unethical. You are paying tax on something that sits. You never do own your property and house. I’d like to live in a country where people can do whatever they want, and IF it happens to harm someone else, THEN there are repercussions. Now you get fined, arrested, labeled/judged, just for doing anything, and mainly if it could be harmful to only yourself (seat belt laws.) The founding fathers, today, would be labeled terrorists by our system. Sovereign citizens don’t want anarchy, they want the powers returned to the states, and this out-of-control federal government to be returned to how it was envisioned. I’d like to live in a country where people are adults. Where they save their own money for retirement. Where they save money, and if they lose their job, it’s their own responsibility to have saved money to keep afloat. Where illegal immigrants get deported instead of welfare (what part of the word “illegal” doesn’t anyone understand anymore?), or a home in our jails. Where public servants have real jobs, and go back to them once their duties are fulfilled, not life-long spongers. Where police are held equally accountable for their actions as citizens. Where college doesn’t mean anything, because anyone can learn. People should be tested on their knowledge, not have to get in debt for their life time to hear an opinion of some idiot. There are certain things school is good for, like being a doctor, a lawyer, or a scientist, but college is useless for just about everything. It serves to make people smug, any it doesn’t make people any smarter. Show me studies where college raised someone’s IQ, versus a person working for 4 years.

There would only be the chaos that people create in their minds.

19 Berwin November 5, 2011 at 9:34 pm

There is case law that states that there are 2 types of citizens in the united States, one whom does not have the legal restrictions of the other. If you were to research this fact and find the true way the federal government is supposed to behave then you would know the difference. Before the federal government was in place the States made their own laws, currency, treatise, etc… With the formation of a “limited” federal government it was supposed to serve the several States but that has been perverted into complete control. This national security state we now live in is very close to what the founding fathers envisioned as means to and end. Checks and balances mean nothing to this government, currency is printed by a private bank, judges routinely state that the Constitution has no force in their court room, and we are administered under commercial law(UCC) .NOT COMMON LAW

20 bobby J December 16, 2011 at 3:32 pm

Kristina. Youre a fucking retard. A slave. A moron. A robot. I’m sure you do it missionary, but maybe doggie style after you’ve had a few cosmos!!

21 Bon January 8, 2012 at 4:41 pm

I have just been introduced to this whole idea. It seems so abstract. I understand some of the reasons, but I do think it is important to have a government. I just wish ours did a better job. Paved roads are fine, but my tax dollars are also going to pay for welfare, which is a horrible broken system. My taxes shouldn’t go towards schools my children don’t participate in. Homeschooling families should not have to pay school taxes.
So that’s my two cents, it may not mean much to anyone but me.

22 polo February 1, 2012 at 9:48 am

please do your H.W before you make a coment….

23 Betterlife February 5, 2012 at 7:08 pm

@a proud us citizen you sound like a pompous ignorant tool. Not everyone wants or needs to pay for education after high school. I always did very good in my schooling, but had no desire to continue on after high school. For the past 20 years I have worked mostly in the automotive industry. That’s what I enjoyed. This government is out of control, plain and simple. For you to be so cruel and judgmental to people you don’t even know leads me to believe you may be a racist, or just an ignorant simpleton. Either way you don’t seem to be a very opened minded person. Some people have had enough. They don’t want anything else taken from them by these “educated” elitists. Did you even give any thought to the idea that sovereign people are what we are supposed to be. Do you remember why and how this country was founded?

24 KEITH February 8, 2012 at 12:56 pm

TO BE SOVEREIGN IS NOT TO ACT LIKE A MANIAC.THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THE AVERAGE JOE DOESNT NO ABOUT THE GOVERNMENTS:
1.THEY DRAFT YOUR CHILDREN TO DIE FOR THEIR CAUSE
2.THEY STOLE THIS COUNTRY AND IS CELEBRATED BY “THANKSGIVING”
3.THEY USE OUR BOND MONEY AND CREDIT IT BACK TO US.THE GOLD WAS REMOVED IN 1933/REPLACED WITH PROMISSARY NOTE CALLED “DOLLAR”.
4.WHEN U “APPEAR IN COURT” U WAIVE YOUR RIGHTS TO THEIR JURISDICTION TO GUILTY OF CHARGES.
5.U CAN ONLY ELECT THEIR CHOICE OF POLITICIANS
6.THEY MAKE ALL THE DECISIONS NOT “WE THE PEOPLE”
7.U ARE SLAVES ON INK AND PAPER
8.THE ALL CAPITAL LETTER NAME U GET IN THE MAIL IS NOT U,BUT A FICTITIOUS NAME MADE UP IN YOUR NAME TO TRADE ON THE STOCK EXCHANGE AND PAY THEIR DEBT AND U ARE PART OWNER OF THAT DEBT BY FRAUD
9.THEY HAVE COMMITTED TREASON.
10.EVERYTIME U MARCH/PICKET AGAINST THEM U WILL BE TAZED OR BEATEN CAUSE U ARE SLAVES TO THE STATE FROM BIRTH SSN-BC IS PROOF.
11.THEY RESCUE/FEED OTHER COUNTRIES AND STARVE THEIR OWN
12. THEY ARE THE BIGGEST SCRAM ARTIST AND DRUG DEALERS IN THE WORLD. ANYMORE QUESTIONS EMAIL ME.

25 Cynthia February 21, 2012 at 9:23 am

If anyone cares – what’s interesting to note is that either side is correct in their judgment of our government. Those who understand and have researched the soveriegn movement are real people who are not threatened and know who they are and who they are not. In my opinion (which is all anyone can ever state with any conviction), that’s the road to growth. Those who still choose (and it is a choice) to be “governed” by the governess, as are children, simply are not ready to be independent.
And that’s ok, too. It’s called FREE WILL, and it’s what allows us to be whatever we choose, whether it be an energy battery for some, a slave for the “greater good”, or one who is not afraid to look behind the wizard’s curtain and step away from the rules of an unjust society.

26 Josh Middleton February 22, 2012 at 9:26 pm

WOW…look at all the govt. propganda on the internet about Soveriegn Citizens. They are scarred shitless that someone has found out there SCAM! As I saw one say, they are all corporations maskerading as govt entities. They should be scared. There bullshit has been called!

27 Josh Middleton February 22, 2012 at 9:29 pm

Oh yeah I forgot….My dear friends, grow a pair of ball and actually read the IRC code. It plainly states that only federal employees are to pay federal income taxes. If you are paying them and you don’t work for the feds, then you have a problem that you can fix. When someone gives you a w2 or 1099 they are saying that they paid you federally connected money! Use your tax return to correct the record. I’ve been doing it for years, and saved a shit load of money. SERIOUSLY

HINT “trade or business” is definied as the performance of a public office. LOL. I seen threw their bullshit a long time ago.

28 Paul March 7, 2012 at 1:31 pm

The current economic system is debt based, and can NEVER be paid back. Like someone mentioned earlier, US currency is printed by a private bank.

- The Federal Reserve is NOT governed by or affiliated with the Federal U.S. It is a private bank. Watch the documentary ‘The Creature From The Black Lagoon’ (available for free on YouTube) for facts on the Federal Reserve Act and how/why the Federal Reserve was started.

- US currency (i.e. Federal Reserve Note) is not backed by anything (since we dropped The Gold Standard during The Great Depression). It is worthless paper – ‘credit money’.

- Look up ‘Fractional Reserve Banking’. This means of the $100 you deposit in your money, the bank only keeps a fraction of it (10%). So the bank really has $10 cash, and the other $90 (90%) is used as loans. (Watch the documentary ‘The Federal Reserve Fraud ‘ on YouTube).

- The U.S. is a corporation. A corporation, in legal terms, is a ‘person’. It has the same legal rights as a U.S. Citizen.

- Look up the term ‘Allodial title’ / ‘Land Patent’ vs ‘Deed’. Your home, business, and/or properties are collateral on the federal debt, even if you have the deed and it’s paid for, in FULL. Deeds are executed by persons and private corporation, and is subject to eminent domain.

- Know the legal definitions of ‘Property’, ‘Premises’, ‘Estates’. YOU may think they’re interchangeable, but the law has a clear distinction.

- Know the legal definition of a ‘person’. (HINT: It’s not what one would normally think).

- Signing a legal contract for a driver’s license, W2, social security card, filing for a birth certificate, etc… enters you into a legal agreement, in which you forfeit certain rights.

- What do you think the REAL reason the U.S. went to war with Iraq for? Afghanistan? Vietnam? Cuba?

- Know who really owns the media and the news channels you watch on the idiot box. Think about how everything you see is filtered.

- Know why we are one of two countries (U.S. and Australia) that allow direct to consumer advertising of pharmaceutical drugs. “Just ask your doctor about ____”. Know where your doctor get’s their information about ____ from. Know how the case studies and clinical trials of ____ are conducted. Know how easy it is for Big Pharma to get FDA approval.

- Learn about the concept of ‘Planned Obsolescence’.

- Know why we still rely on fossil fuels, and have not made a significant movement towards energy efficiency and sustainable free energy.

- Look up ‘Fracking’ and how the corporations get Natural Gas, and how they are exempt from regulation.

- Look up why/how the American Chemistry Council has been able to make illegal the banning of plastic grocery bags in this country.

- Look up how new chemicals must be proven to be toxic in order to be banned, rather than be proven to be safe in order to be used (which is what most all other countries do).

Some people seem to be under the misconception that taxes paid go toward public roads, schools, fire protection, healthcare, etc… This is only partially true, but needs further explanation as it cannot be simply generalized. (Briefly, the education system is corrupt and flawed. Watch the documentary ‘Waiting For Superman’. The healthcare system is corrupt and flawed. Watch the documentary ‘Sicko’, ‘Big Bucks, Big Pharma’, ‘Marketing of Madness’. The pharmaceutical companies run the “health” care system, and manipulate the education system in which doctors are made.)

- Corporations can back and fund campaigns for politicians – undisclosed. Think about that. Multi-billion dollar companies can influence and put in place who they want in office – the revolving door between politics and corporate executives. Elected Presidents (who didn’t get to office on his own accord, he was the candidate of specific corporations), repay this favor:

– Appointed by Presidents –
- Supreme Court Justice: Clarence Thomas. Former attorney for Monsanto
- Deputy Administrator for the EPA: Linda J Fisher. Back and forth from Monsanto to EPA, to DuPont.
- Obama’s director of the USDA: Roger Beachy. Former director of the Monsanto-funded Danforth Plant Science Center
- Obama’s general counsel for the USDA: Ramona Romero. Former orporate counsel to DuPont
- Bush’s Secretary of Agriculture: Ann Veneman. Former board of directors of Calgene
- FDA Deputy Commissioner: Michael R Taylor. Former partner at the law firm that represented Monsanto
– I have 16 more names to list. Too long, you can Google it –

Is this the government you want to place your trust in? Is this who you want representing you? Does this seem just? Does it now start to make sense why GMO food has gone unlabeled for almost two decades, and most people don’t know? How rBGH can be given to animals with no recourse? Why pharmaceutical drugs are so easily passed by the FDA with flawed case studies and scientific data, and known hazards? Why the U.S. has one of the highest obesity, heart disease, cancer, diabetes, infant mortality, mother death rates in the world?? Why do CAFO’s exist? The U.S. has one of the lowest scoring education systems? One of the highest rate of prisoners? One of the most in-debt countries? Such high unemployment rates? A country (read: corporation) on the verge of financial collapse (read: bankrupt)? Why 400 people have more wealth than a combined 150,000,000 people???

We cannot be a nation where ‘We The People’ fear the government. It should be the other way around. You say people would cause chaos and run care-free with no accountability… well what do you think the government AND the corporations are doing RIGHT NOW?? Why do you think the U.S. is in the condition its in?

Please don’t be short-sighted. There are far too many apathetic people, and corrupt corporations taking advantage of them, which lead us to the state we’re in. These are the facts that drive these sovereign people to become sovereign. The reason why the occupiers decide to occupy. Please enlighten yourself, and others around you. We need to stand as a nation united by the people, for the people. Not a nation controlled and enslaved by the corporations. Greed has taken over, and lied to the people.

Sovereign people want what is best for all people, not just themselves.

29 MO May 11, 2012 at 8:36 pm

All of this is fictitious. If there are people who still believe that your “tax” dollars go toward our public school system, please come out from under the rock that you’ve been under. The IRS is based off-shore, so your “tax” dollars are immediately unaccounted for by “your” government. clarity said it best, “We have no government here in America, only CORPORATIONS”, America has, without public knowledge, been incorporated. Hosea 4:6:
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
The “legal” system states legislature.
God has laws. Be wise not to be confused of the two for your life depends on it.
The term “sovereign citizen” is in itself a fallacy because sovereign is to be “the” authority, no higher of something, Possessing supreme or ultimate power, whereas the term “citizen” comes from the legal term binding one to a nation by natural birth or a naturalization process however still subservient to “government”.
Corporations are the enemy’s tool.
Do the math baby, something in America is NOT right.

30 Robert May 31, 2012 at 1:35 pm

“We of this mighty western Republic have to grapple with the dangers that spring from popular self-government tried on a scale incomparably vaster than ever before in the history of mankind, and from an abounding material prosperity greater also than anything which the world has hitherto seen.

As regards the first set of dangers, it behooves us to remember that men can never escape being governed. Either they must govern themselves or they must submit to being governed by others. If from lawlessness or fickleness, from folly or self-indulgence, they refuse to govern themselves then most assuredly in the end they will have to be governed from the outside. They can prevent the need of government from without only by showing they possess the power of government from within. A sovereign cannot make excuses for his failures; a sovereign must accept the responsibility for the exercise of power that inheres in him; and where, as is true in our Republic, the people are sovereign, then the people must show a sober understanding and a sane and steadfast purpose if they are to preserve that orderly liberty upon which as a foundation every republic must rest.”
[President Theodore Roosevelt; Opening of the Jamestown Exposition; Norfolk, VA, April 26, 1907]

31 A September 19, 2012 at 8:50 pm

I am not sure what this is all about but I do know about taxes. The property tax on your houses pays for your local schools and ever barell of gas that comes into the united statex is taxed. That tax pays for the up keep of highways and roadways in america. I can see why people would join a movement like this. I have been doing research on this topic, blacks law, tax codes and so forth. 1915, 1935, 1955 are all good years a lot off the current laws came to be because of events that happened during these years.

32 justpassinthroow October 22, 2012 at 2:17 pm

the government, by way of legislation, have passed laws that exempt themselves from paying many of the taxes and made it mandatory through fear and coercion that the beneficiaries or sovereign people pay. What do you think a PUBLIC SERVANT is??

33 Josh April 9, 2013 at 8:20 pm

The us government is supposed to have to answer to the citizens. Government for the people by the people. Since that is longer the case why would you want to remain a participant in a system that robs you incrementally. A little more and a little more. We are now printing so much money to keep up with national debt that our taxesare just a drop inthe bucket. So why increase taxes atall.

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35 S.B.Hahn July 20, 2013 at 11:17 pm

“If we don’t accept the Federal Government as our governing body and if we don’t pay our taxes, we cannot benefit from municipal, state, and federal services”
I’ll take my chances. America is supposed to be a country where one is allowed to be self sustaining, but that has become impossible (unless your Amish) with our governments growing invasive and totalitarian way of “running” the country. Oh, and by the way, the American government has no legal authority to “run” anything or tax anyone or even make or uphold laws without the consent of the citizens, but most people nowadays have either forgotten or didn’t know in the first place, and sat around distracted by cheap forms of entertainment, growing ever more brainless while the government took more and more control, and now herds the people like the obedient mindless sheep they have been socially engineered to be.

Oh, and this: “I couldn’t even imagine a world where I was not accountable for my actions and I didn’t have to pay taxes” is a great example of how brainwashed you really are. You cannot possibly imagine that people would not be held accountable for their actions or that societies could exist without the threat of punishment for breaking ever more constricting and unjust laws. And worse, you can’t imagine a world where your hard earned wages are not extorted from you for absolutely no reason. And municipals, HA, if our government wasn’t so corrupt and wasteful we could have the best roads and schools and hospitals and colleges and transportation systems in the world, all for free, and get a free allowance for food and housing if we need it and still have money for military and space exploration and scientific endeavors and much much more with all the taxes the government extorts from it’s subjects/slaves…ahem, “citizens”.

36 Ray Marks April 18, 2014 at 4:07 pm

I don’t think it’s so much that Sovereign people believe in allowed chaos, as they don’t believe in a government that was falsely formed after the constitution. I agree that we shouldn’t have to pay for victimless crimes. I agree that tickets are just a way for the state to help pay for a government that our constitution never intended us to have. Our current government is dirty, and out of control, and we never wanted them to begin with. I’m not saying we shouldn’t have some form of order, but seizing our country, and charging us for victimless crimes, is not a good way to do this. People need to wake up and realize that paying taxes is just another way to force people to support a government that we never asked for.

37 Ranger August 2, 2014 at 12:28 pm

Sovereign people do not wish anarchy, nor to not follow laws. On the contrary! Sovereigns do not wish to be held to “Commerce Law” or “Admiralty Law” both which are the Law of the Sea ! They are Corporate Contract Law Courts, which both contain “codes’ and ‘statutes”. Those ‘codes’ and “statutes” take precedent in “Commerce Court” and Admiralty Court”, and bypass “Constitutional Law”, which is the Law of the Land, and does not contain “codes’ and ‘statutes”.
For instance, you conduct commerce and trade all over the world the exact same way, no matter which nation you are in because they all operate under Universal Commercial Code. Universal Commercial Code are the “rules” “codes” and “statutes” used in making rulings in Commerce and Admiralty Courts, which is the Law of the Sea. (Which all courts today in the USA are Admiralty Courts).
IE: “Blacks Law” states that there can not be a crime unless there is a victim!
Yet, if you run a red light, there is no victim, but you broke a “Vehicle Code & Statute”, and the “State” becomes the victim, therefore in the eyes of an Admiralty Court you are guilty of a crime and are given a fine to pay!

Now, “Common Law”, “God’s Law” are Laws of the Land (The Constitution!).
There are things you can do in America that you can not do in Africa. There are things you can do in China, that you can not do in Russia, and so on.
That is because of the LAW of the Land. Which, if we used the law of the land in our courts systems today, there would be half as many people in prison today. Just take a look at how many people are in prison today for a victimless crime.

The courts today have proven that they are corrupt criminal RICO outfits.
For a last example: There is a FEDERAL LAW that says clearly, even by the Social Security Agency’s own website says, that a BANK can ask for your Social Security number to open an account, but you DO NOT have to give them one. They can use numerous other ways to obtain identity. Yet, even though the Federal Law says that they can not refuse you a bank account for refusing to give then your SS#, just try and open a bank account without one.
They will refuse, and in doing so are violating a Federal Law,

That’s the crap that Sovereigns do not want to tolerate from a Corporate Government who uses Admiralty Courts with Commerce Law, as opposed to Constitutional Courts under Common Law!

That’s the issue! They are not crazy! In fact the people who continue under debt enslavement are far more scary to me!

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