A couple of weeks back, Miel and I met with J, a fellow personal finance blogger who runs a very good website called Budget Are Sexy. We were having coffee and ended up getting into a debate about the relative merits of credit cards vs. payday loans. That is, in a bind which would be worse to borrow from?
We ended up wrangling about it for a good 20 minutes, and in retrospect it looks to me like the bottom line is that if you really need to borrow and can only chose between credit cards or payday loans, the credit card is a far better way to go. Why?
Payday loans are a major rip off.
What? A rip off? Yep. Payday loans can charge effective interest rates (interest & fees) that are hugely expensive. For example, in Missouri, its legally permissible to charge annual interest rates of up to 1,955%. In Montana, you can get hit with rates up to 652% and in Virgina you'll be charged an effective rate of 610%. In most other states the maximum allowed interest rate is higher than 300%. In fact, the rates are so over the top that payday lending isn't legal in some states. Congress has capped the amount of fees and interest that payday lenders can charge military personnel and consumer advocacy groups like the Consumer Federation of America hate them with a passion (1).
Credit cards aren't great, but tend to be cheaper than payday loans.
Credit Cards are obviously not an optimal way to borrow money either. Don't believe me? Congress recently had to crack down on the credit card banksters (1). Even the normally lethargic FDIC is constantly penalizing some local banks for abusive credit card lending. The tricky business practices of the credit card industry are well known by now; arbitrary rate hikes, fee harvesting, etc. etc. In addition, some people actually think widespread use of cards has a detrimental impact on public health (1).
Even though some people are credit card addicts, their effect doesn't seem as bad as payday loans. The percentage rates on credit cards are usually less than 30%. With fees the effective rates can often be higher, up to 120% if your balance is small. However, even at 120%, the cost of carrying cards is usually nowhere near the 300% you'll see with payday loans. When you think about in terms of your cost to borrow, credit cards win hands down.
Bottom line: look for alternatives to both. If you do need to borrow money, its probably best that you look for a low cost alternative. Consider a person to person loan either in an on-line outfit like Prosper.com or LendingClub.com. If that doesn't work it might be possible to borrow directly from a friend or family member. There are ways to formally do this so the relationship doesn't get akward (here).
Here are some other articles on this topic.
Payday Loans vs. Credit Cards
Credit Card Cash Advances Vs. Payday Loans
Why a Payday Loan is Better Than a Credit Card
Best,
James
P.S. In the interests of disclosure, you'll note we do have two payday links on our website. This because we DINKs gotta eat and pay the mortgage, just like the rest of you. We would of course recommend that you live frugal, save money on everday expenses, and do what you can to spot money making opportunities so that you don't end up in the bind we described above.
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Interesting, I've never heard of a "Payday loan." Sounds ominous. Shouldn't we just go the old fashion way?
I wrote my first post on personal finance for couples this morning. I think you guys will enjoy it.
Also, thanks for highlighting your specific finances with us. Do you see any cons to that? I have the same spreadsheet on Excel, but am hesitant to share it with the world.
Rgds
RB
http://www.richby30retireby40.com/2009/07/value-of-happiness-lessons-from-frugal.html
That's disappointing to read that you take advertisements for payday lenders. I thought that you didn't take advertising money from sources that you outright disapprove of or don't think are good for readers. I think that part of Dave Ramsey's success is that he stands by his beliefs, which includes not taking any advertisers that he wouldn't refer his family or friends to. Do good and do what you love and the money will follow. Furthermore, you seem to be doing very well financially as a household - no need to take these advertisers to "eat and pay the bills."
Hey Anon,
Thanks for the note. If we were running google ads and we blogged about payday loans, we would have them running on our site anyways. Given that we blog about it, any harm would be done anyways, so we might as well get the compensation.
Also, we do need to buy food and pay the rent.
RB - Glad to see there is a new good personal finance blogger out there.
In terms of sharing yourself with the world, it can be a bit touchy from time to time. Initially I definitely got some flack from family and friends. But most of those people just don't read regularly, so they aren't really our audience.
It is hard to remove yourself entirely for a bit of awkwardness about being out there in the world of the web, but I think it serves a purpose to keep it real, be accountable, and share our experience with others that might learn.
So in the end we continue sharing openly.
Good luck sorting out what works for you.
Cheers,
Miel
ok, so you sold yourself to the devil to the pay day loan vultures...at least you give some discussion on them.
a major point you did not include that favors cc over a payday loan is that if you bounce the check, which pay day loans are based on, it can be a misdemeanor offense in many states.
There are many ways to buy food and pay the rent - ways which you seem to have found by virtue of your current solid economic standing. I really find it questionable that you advertise a product that you wouldn't use yourself, and that you don't recommend to your readers. It is not coming off well to your audience, unfortunately. If you were on the verge of bankruptcy, perhaps that would be a different story.
Anon - I guess our thinking on this is a bit different. For me, it is a question of audience. Considering our content and so forth, while some of our readers may be struggling a bit financial, or just starting out, but I don't believe that are large numbers of our readers who are down and out destitute.
This being the case, it was my thinking that most of our readers would independently be smart enough to know that pay day loans aren't a good idea (nor would most of them be in need of this).
Additionally, given that we specifically make a point to inform our readers that pay day loans are a bad idea (which we have posted on both before and after posting a link), it seems that it is unlikely that our readers are going to then go our and get a pay day loan unless they independently feel it is in their best interest.
I guess in terms of advertising something that we wouldn't use ourselves, I don't know about that. I wouldn't buy a car or a TV, but I would gather that the majority of our readers do have these.
I also find it interesting that none of our readers independently noticed the payday loan add and asked us about it, but rather that we pointed it out.
Thanks for your comment though, and keep up the good friendly debate.
Best,
Miel
All I know is that it's good to see you're backing Credit Cards over the paydays now ;) Interesting to see these posts and comments come out from a random convo we had a few weeks back! gotta love the internets...
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